We have to get a 230 usually just to get looked at. It not a well appreciated or respected field. One word = corrupted. The staff is disconnected and said either repeat the term after you seek medical attention or just quit. Breaks my heart. Medical School success is a factor of time allotted, repetition, and efficient studying. while i sympathtise with this persons experience, his experience is not mine or that of many other colleagues of mine that went to Caribbean medical schools. More money for the school etc. Carribean Medical schools are usually for-profit and are usually extremely predatory in their practices. I went to SGU so I will offer my opinion if it helps you. I did a 1 year post-bacc program after undergrad and ended up with a 3.65 and still I knew my chances were low. This isnt a problem in and of itself. I was not allowed to take my step 2 exam. Thats what they used to doI recall getting an email asking me to write something positive on a forum for them about. For those of you interested in studying medicine in the Caribbean, there are options apart from the for-profit off shore medical schools. the problem is it can be hard to know the full truth if one didnt do proper research on their school or never met an alumni. You will not have a clear picture painted for you. Made some great friends there, kept my nose in the books, by no means was I killing it but I got through the 2 years of basic sciences on the island without a hitch. PSS As a student, employed in the International Student Office and a Test Monitor I caught numerous now nothing is done. Circumstances come, even if you are the smartest student have a plan B. When it comes to Caribbean medical schools, I think there are a lot of both pros and cons. I also withdrew from AUA but I withdrew before the end of the first semester. CONGRATULATIONS! Thank God we didnt get a direct hit. If you dont mind Ill like to talk to you as regards getting an MD degree in the Caribbean. Why cant anybody find the true numbers of this school online? Agree. Island conditions were diplorable and I personally had a room infested with cockroaches and spiders. Out of the 53,371 applicants in 2019, just 21,869 matriculated into an allopathic medical school. With all due respect to those who are posting, a fast paced curriculum where you need to maintain a 70% is a feature of all medical schools not just those in the Caribbean. So here am I with no way to support myself after putting in all that effort (which given all youve heard plus while having a family). They let in about 700 for the January starting class which are on different schedules and have a smaller lecture hall to accommodate a smaller class. Are you ready to become a Saba doctor? It may Whatever is the reason, its better for you to ask and do your research about medical schools. Amazing. Anonymous Any advise from experience is very helpful.Thank you. My experience so far is a great one. Saba has a match rate of 58% among US-IMGs. A second chance is not often offered in life. Digging around for genuine reviews on Saba is pretty difficult. I went to one of the mid-tier programs and dropped out and I have kept in touch with students who did matchwho were VERY hard workers and who ended up in FM when I think they could have done better than that. In 1998 to 2004 classes much smaller. They have campuses located in the US that I am able to attend live lectures at. I know this is a late response, but perhaps it might help others. Finally, residency positions are available for the people who work for them. had paid hundreds of dollars for the Fianza bond but they tried to I know that saba has an extremely small class size which is very appealing to me as I believe an individualized learning approach is where i thrive however i also know that i need to self study as well on my own which i am not too scared of. If not you can contact me as I have information that you would benefit from. I have not started medical school yet in the Caribbean, but I expect it is like anything else: if you work hard you can become a competent physician. Some people just concentrate on what is going on in class and the positives and not dwell too much on what they cant change. they are very competitive of course. What does it mean for you to be a doctor and how far are you willing to travel to get there, and will you ever give up? Dr. Stewart hi. search BS/MD programs. Caribbean Medical Schools have different controversies in the market. Not only that but, my school has such a great diversity of students that it is so cool when the students offer you a place to stay anytime you plan a trip. May I ask what the tuition is in Nigerian medical schools? (two friends went to rehab for alcohol/drug use) I took the Princeton review course to prepare for the MCAT since I have been out of undergrad some 30 years. Do you have any advice or information on this medical school? I go to SJSM. The instructors are from different counties and are sometimes at high levels in their fields. The follow-up, some 20 years later, is that the majority of them are frustrated, burned-out and wondering what they have done to themselves. Compared to other Caribbean schools, my school is eligible for US government loans and it offers many scholarships to its students. Communism. For the past several years Saba University students have achieved a 99% first-time pass rate on USMLE Step , this rate was a perfect 100%. My lawyer eventually I scratch my head like I know medicine has advanced since 2005 so I end up sending them my Caribbean notes/study materialsbut I dont want to make this post about Nigerian medical schools. Does SGU give the opportunity of rotation in US for all the students or just few top students? I even managed to train for a marathon down there. The SGA wanted to confirm that this wasnt going to happen. Many may think im settling, or taking the easy way.thats what my family tells me for choosing to go for a mid-level careerat the end of the day its about the legacy you leave and I choose to do that through my patients smiles and health outcomes and not by egotistical measuring sticks. Like finding out good studying strategies. Susan Atchly was a very good friend of mine! If they need to cut down class size numbers, the heads of the departments are told to use a more difficult test bank by the Dean. A little bit about me. There are terrible emotional and financial consequences when informed consent is lacking as these idealistic humanitarians forge ahead off shore toward their medical degrees. It was more painful to watch kids struggle and always getting in trouble at school and out of school at such a young age after coming from a Boarding School were kids were just kids not smoking in the bathroom or arguing with their teachers. Its equipped with a nice and big gym that is located in front of the schools beach. From my research, students who wish to study medicine but do not get in, oftentimes apply to English-language programs in Poland, Hungary, or Romania to study medicine there (if they can afford it) and then get their degrees validated by the EU as MD-Romania for example. 6) Emotional distress/burnout/sickness This is the area that caught me off guard. I wanted to finally speak up. SJSM is a for-profit business. My school gave me the opportunity to study medicine, something that US medical schools didnt do for me. I scored a 517 on the MCAT, I have a masters in Biotechnology from Johns Hopkins with a GPA of 3.68 The recommended courses from this Masters are: Biochemistry, Biostatistics, Genetics, and a research project. Its true, also acknowledge, while your motive might be to get educated, some people are business people, insurance people, and so forth. There are many reasons US students end up pursuing a field in medicine at a Caribbean school and quite a few do make it through to become highly qualified practicing physicians. The negative attitude predominates on campus, so I chose to live off campus with success driven students to escape it. We only have 600 positions open for clinical rotations so 50 more students will have to go this term in order to make the numbers right. AUA, MUA, St George, SABA, are top notch schools and some of you guys are just flat out lying because you are upset. My family did not move to Antigua with me because Antigua, unlike other Caribbean islands is not very welcoming to foreigners. My cumulative gpa is 3.98, that was with working as a nurses aid. Thank You for this message. I looked at the USMLE stats, match rate, cost and class size and chose Saba. Here are the results of recent residency matches for Saba students: In the U.S.* C/O R3 Education Inc. 27 Jackson Road, Suite 301, Devens, Massachusetts 01434, On Saba IslandSaba University School of MedicineP.O. My friends in Cali med schools couldnt believe how many modules they were packing into our terms. By semester 3 they were down to 29, and in the end, only 17 graduated from that batch. I finished at MUA and did my rotations with plenty of Saba students. Research is useful, but its also extremely costly and doesnt really add much to the education of the average physician. I think it is a huge red flag when even some of your professors are telling you that they feel bad that we the students are being put up through all that. SJSM would have you believe that they put a lot of money into their faculty, and that is why the campus facilities are so rudimentary. I cant complain about the demographics of my residency hospital. To start, you need to be financially secure. Things happen. Students come to the gym to release some stress and have some social interactions with other students as well. I feel like I can do the most good from this position. Saba Medical School (Saba University School of Medicine) is located in The Bottom, Saba, in the Caribbean.This Caribbean medical school was founded in 1993 and has enrolled about 1500 MD students since that time. Its not very human, but that is what expected, and if you fail to meet expectations, go easy on yourself and pick yourself up. I hope your friend makes it through. Check out this day in the life of a Saba student as evidence for that. You cant take STEP 1 until youve passed it and you get three chances to pass it. My hubby recently applied and got accepted to each of The Big Four Caribbean schools, plus AUA and MUA. Never really read whole book. Some 2,500+ Saba graduates now practice medicine across the U.S. and Canada, and their ongoing success has helped cement Saba's reputation as a leading medical school. I would also like some feedback on Ross University vs SABA vs AUC. And you wont feel that desperation to finish until you have invested so much of your soul, money, sanity for the hope of coming out the other end a doctor. I actually know of about 7 students who decided not to do this extra course, and decided to go straight from premed into MD1. My response was maybe if you attended classes consistently, you would have learned a thing or two. I will tell you from experience that if you put in the effort and my professors see you giving it your all, they will GLADLY help you. This is a real school. There are waterfalls, beaches all over, fruit stands, rum shops, paddle boarding, night clubs, beautiful views at the campus, good people, and lots of fun to keep you sane while youre putting in what is most likely the toughest two years of life. What is the tuition for Nigerian med schools? Heidelberg University and Charit in Berlin for example had 3.8% and 5.6% acceptance rates (per Wikipedia), and those clinical programs are ranked very highly (around no. i am also thinking of Ross, SABA or AUC. Id never be able to sleep at night were I at the helm of one of these schools. I paid 10,000 dollars per semester and of course its more for clinical postings. Thats why I was like, comparing doesnt help. There are many other problems with Saba which are getting worse in recent years. Saba University School of Medicine has rolling admissions. If not after you get ECFMG certified there is only a 50% match rate for IMG both US and non US citizen. But one thing most people dont assess is their abilities. The school's website is available here. View her TEDMED talk Why doctors kill themselves. I mentor aspiring physicians from socially and economically disadvantaged communities. is it still considered on of the top school in the Caribbean? form such extreme positions. I will use all i have learned and what i will learn and find my niche and my place in the system. They are going to do what they do best, so you better be ready to do what you do best and hope you make it where you wanna reach. Most of you will not get the plum specialtiesonly primary care. I am an AUA med 5 student and having difficulty passing NAME. You will be required to be in class and you have to find a way to learn in and out of class if your classes are too long. Its now being run in such a way that I would highly recommend students look elsewhere. 2 sections/200 student lecture in one classroom. The hotel that he is likely referring to is the original campus. Not just reading itbut learning it well enough so if anyone asked you a question about any concept within the book, you could easily answer? We Dreaded this, so many actually transferred to the Caribbean schools, or did the Old Fifth Pathway year, typically in NYC. Cheers-Donald. With 900 students how did we get down to 650? to get it back. If you are willing to go through whatever comes your way, then the Caribbean is for you; go get that MD. Saba University School of Medicine, Caribbean Netherlands Courses: Gross Anatomy & Embryology, Immunology & Microbiology, Genetics, Metabolism & Nutrition, Neuroscience & Neuroanatomy, Systems & Diseases. There are usually so many mistakes made by the inexperienced professors, the lecture becomes confusing and muddled. The class of 700, starting in January, finished with around 450, meaning about 64 percent of their class made it from day 1 to the last day of year 2. The sad thing is that I look around to my colleagues. This Caribbean medical school has provided my son both the hope and the knowledge to succeed. I will have to look into this before I make my final decision. Please I know you want to atleast sit back and let your MD work for you a little bit and reap rewards of your labor rightfully so.. Dont forget the reason that help you stick to it. And you guessed it, what does that mean? Anyways, the school built their own dorm. How to Market Your Business with Webinars? I wouldnt take that risk when you have hundreds of thousands of dollars at stake. There is no ugly truth, but hope and that is worth a great deal. Simple as that. But wait there is much more! You are going to meet people that you dont agree with and people that you will love on the islands. There are 10s of upper term students who have groups where they help teach lower term students the material. Compared to rival schools in the region like the American University of the Caribbean School of Medicine (92%), thats a more attractive score. Barber is a program cordinator at the Interreligious Foundation for Community Organization, in Harlem, which recruits American students for E.L.A.M. anyone else sorry and naturally they have low attrition rates. It was hell, and they only cared about the money. He is not taking care of students whom he got and nothing is gonna changed if you send email about that. This is my second year and so far my school has showed a lot of support for us. Patients have no respect for physicians as a concequence. Thinking Med school. The problem is that everyone who makes it that far is not necessarily dedicated to being the best they can be at what they do, and that is the point where we get bad Doctors, not because the schools are terrible, but because the students themselves are many times not highly motivated to be the best. Was accepted into residencies but they couldnt ratify that because of not having Part II of the Boards. Students at my school must teach themselves what they need to know. Informed consent. furthermore, just like the schools are different, there is also a wide range of students that attend schools in the caribbean, ranging from excellent students who would have been able to get into US medical schools, given the opprtunity to other students who has no business in medical school in the first place.the problem is many of the school, out of greed i guess, relax their admission requirements and so the curriculum or reality of medical school ends up weeding out many. With the FMGEMS horror, and all the abuse, incoming classes went from 150 to 80, to 25 to 12 to ZERO in the span of a few years. Students can setup a meeting anytime with DES for advising/tutoring/etc.. Last year the same exam had a 12 point curve. Its also how your brain is going to force you to think, but if you end up on the island, learn not to dwell on too many thoughts, express them, write them, whatever you do with them, just study. would stab you in the back with a unilateral attendance policy (too bad Box 1000Church Street, The Bottom,Saba, Dutch Caribbean, *The Massachusettes address is for Saba's administrative offices. Read more would provide an excellent medical education and expansive career opportunities. Yes! Will anything ever be done about that evil institution? When we unite as a profession to PROTECT one another and not allow our colleagues to fall and be preyed upon we will finally have real health care. Unbelievable. In fact, NPs typically get to have far more face-to-face interaction with patients which help them to create more holistic and thorough plans of care for the patient. I have done my research on Carrib med schools and I do not think I would have an issue with the island life as my parents are from the carribean and I would love to hear what you have to say about class size esp anatomy classes, and professor relationships and well preparation for USMLE Step 1 program and clinical rotations. I have been reading through many of the negative posts and my thoughts have been similar to yours (Ivy League Army Doc). Mind you, Im very close with the head of several departments and we have discussed this for hours, and our disapproval of the methods they use to keep within their budget. Essentially, if you really want to become a physician and are willing to gamble away thousands of dollars of borrowed money and lose your health in the process, then Caribbean medical experience is the place to be! Its what you make it. My son is in the same Caribbean Med school. I am currently facing financial hardship and wondering if there are any scholarships for students attending Caribbean medical schools? Stop going to the beach every afternoon. Some one need to go after this any stop to start with 800 kids and box size room . This is reality in Canada today. Other: a broad background in humanities, social sciences or physical sciences. Its worth a shot. I hope he/she has a plan B well underway in some allied, or other, field. but I knew I was going to be there for less than 2 years and my desire to become a doctor was greater than the hassle of dealing with island inconveniences. Or a plan B, C and D. Dont let one thing totally devastate you and put you on the edge. Furthermore, there are times where the law enforcement and other emergency response agencies are incompetent, prejudice, or straight up corrupt. What you start with is what you end with. How hard is it to get into Saba medical school? After the student moves, the landlord often immediately rents it again, thereby collecting double rent. US grads could be taken into Residencies but not an IMG without Part II, So I still dont have a license today and tons of student loan debt because of several family catastrophies, including my husband passing and catastrophic illness of one of my children. also try to get you to round in multiple hospitals, making it impossible for My advice, from my heart of hearts, and which I can only give in good conscience, is that you absolutely should not attend Saba University School of Medicine. I appreciate your post. Thus, story is; if you cant handle different and unexpected, dont go to the Caribbean. I spoke with a lot of graduates and they had a great time, busy but great. Before a race when doing track, you thought about the track and you thought about if you can handle what you are about to do, and you planned or imagined yourself running the race and the speed that you needed. If they did they wouldnt have the demand they do now because if we were given all of the facts, some us would have chosen a field within health care that doesnt require this amount of chance, debt, stress, and moral compromise. They even have a clause in the student handbook that states how they can make any changes to the handbook whenever they want. So did you decide to join SGU?? Even Einstein wasnt Einstein over night, it took time. Those of you who are considering medicine as a career field need to understand that medical school is perhaps the best part of the training process. If schools were laxed about their academic standards and passing benchmarks, borderline passing students will get to their final years and after having spent the equivalent of a fully detached house on tuition they would end up not matching. I dont know, I could be nave, since Im only in my second year here, but after being here for a year, you kinda have a sense for what is actually going on. By no means was going to this school a disastrous proposition for me. I believe US Medical education has been throttled by the US medical profession itself. Used to study questions pretest, Lange books, and work backwards onto notes. 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